Task:ITt Collaboration

maemo.org and ITt services should integrate much better i.e. maemo.org Downloads syndicated in ITt and ITt users getting maemo.org karma.


 * Provide an automatic way to syndicate applications to the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section (itTSS).
 * Each application (version) that is syndicated on Internet Tablet Talk, starts a new thread in the forums so end-users get notified of new apps as well as provide a way to give feedback to the developers. Developers themselves can also join in the discussion. This, hopefully, will help to better the quality of applications.
 * What would be the point of most the garage facilities then? I am not convinced that developers will all go looking at ITT for feedback (some projects work like that, but most rely on mailing lists and irc for example). If there was to a ITT thread for user feedback then maybe add to it a big fat 'report a bug on package x' or 'contact developers of package x'. --trickie 12:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I second that. Forums are not suitable for regular development, and taking the discussion away from the tracker facilities is a bad thing - the people will keep reporting bugs on the forums rather than filling a report. Besides, lots of developers don't read forums, they are counter-productive and take a lot of time. Users or developers can start threads for their apps on their own, but I see no reason to make this obligatory. --zap 14:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The goal here is to get the average to not so average end-user to get involved, solicit feedback from them, and hopefully provide a good discussion between other users and ultimately improve the apps. No one, even the developers, are required to join the discussion but it will be healthy for the community to discuss the app and not just report bugs. --Reggie 14:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Provide a way for developers to easily add a bug at the application's Garage page for confirmed bugs reported in the discussion thread.
 * We have agreed with ITt on the general idea. It's something urgent and it would be definitely good to see it in the 100 Days. The specific plan to be discussed in an open page, either here or in ITt or both. In any case, it's clear that the feature is "syndication". Then ITt or whoever can benefit from that, and are the developers of each piece of software that decide if they want to direct the user feedback to ITt, their garage project, the project website, etc.--qgil 06:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A solution could be to add a bugtracker field to the entry in the application catalog. This could then point to the developer's own bugtracker, the maemo bugtracker or a thread at ITt. This could be done on a short term and be a temporary solution until we implement a global bugtracker. --xfade 13:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

maemo "Application Store"

 * Actively hunt on the Net for maemo apps not yet added to Maemo Extras, talk to developers, ask and help them to commit applications to Maemo Extras. This especially applies to app porters currently active at iTT.
 * Use gronmayer's scripts to create a web site that merges applications from all known repositories into a single list and lets you browse them with MicroB using HTML UI similar to N-Gage, Apple Store, etc. While it sounds ambitious, it is not difficult to do, as we always have app descriptions and icons (form .deb files) and we also have screenshots for apps hosted at Garage. Reformatting this data in a format that can be nicely presented in tablet browser is not difficult.
 * Effectively replace "itTSS" with this website.
 * Actively convince maintainers of other repositories to join the maemo extras repository. This would save some headache from offline and broken repositories.
 * Make sure that all applications which are actually available in the repositories can be found in the Maemo.org downloads section.
 * From a Nokia point of view the interest is to have a single repository for distributing third party applications. External repositories should be an exception targeting very specific needs and users. Nokia is not interested in blurring the boundaries between a community supported extras repository and the repo someone has setup somewhere.--qgil 06:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While it is obviously better to have a single repository, both for users and for Nokia, realistically it is not going to happen soon. So, there is still a place for a repo aggregator like Gronmayer to exist. Additionally, creating an AppInstaller-like AJAX web site for Gronmayer specifically targeted for displaying in MicroB will let you test different AppInstaller designs before implementing them in a real application and pushing them to the users. It is really easy to change a piece of PHP code but changing a native app and updating everybody's tablets with it is more dofficult. fms
 * If you want to have any specific action around the Gronmayer aggregator & tools, that's totally fine. Go ahead. I'm just saying that Nokia prefers to invest its time and resources fixing the root of the problem, even if it will take longer than 100 Days.--qgil 07:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ''I really like the idea. It should be merged with the Download section of Maemo.org. There should be an "Add your application" button that will open a new page where to enter all the informations regarding the new Application (the 'main page'). The submission of this new Application should automatically create: a) a garage project for the Application b) a discussion thread on the ITT forum for this Application's first release c) a Download page in Maemo.org will be created as well. This set of web tools should follow the Application during its lifetime. As long as the developer tags the application as Alpha or Beta, it should only appear in the Maemo Extras-devel repository. When the developer tags it as Stable it should be moved to the Maemo Extras repository. For each new release the developer should decide if to open a new discussion thread for that specific release or not (on the ITT forum). The first post on the ITT forum thread should also provide a set of links at least for 'reporting bugs' (and should, obviously, point to the garage's bugzilla page for that project). This link to bugzilla should also appear on the Application 'main page'. We have ONE Application, there should be a little more than ONE place on the web for it and for its resources--anidel 12:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)