Talk:Maemo.org logo contest

False Voting Prevention
Logo contest is a great way to getting the community to choose its face. However, some measures should be taken to prevent false voting such as: I think this should help the community to choose the clear winner among the submissions. bundyo 20:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Registered members can vote.
 * Only Once.
 * Maybe transparent (member name visible) with optional comment.
 * Two rounds (maybe ten submissions in the second).
 * I need to talk to X-Fade about setting up a voting system for the Community Council voting, we could reuse that for this voting. Probably apply a similar set of rules. User accounts must be 1 month old or have at least 10 karma points? —GeneralAntilles 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe both? The Karma rule should be applied only to the voters though, so that everyone will be allowed to enter the contest. bundyo 11:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a capital OR ;) and, yes, of course no karma limits for entrants. --GeneralAntilles 14:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You are assuming that the result needs to be decide by the vote from a large amount of people. However, playing as devil's advocate, normally artworks and other creative works contest are decided by the consensus or vite of a reduced amount of people with a strong relation/involvement in the subject and an internal discussion before the selection. This was also the case at https://help.launchpad.net/logo/, where the decision was made by the project maintainers, not the large amount of launchpad users.--qgil 20:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe they just have to have the last decision, but the community must show their preference, help them choose. bundyo 20:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Bundyo. Having community involvement (besides actually competing) is always a good idea, especially when it is for an open-source group.jakemaheu 20:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or maybe the first decision i.e. going through a selection of 5 candidates from all submissions, and then the community vote. Or two rounds of votes perhaps. Or a preferential system. In any case voting between, say, 20 or more submissions is not easy and it is very likely that the option chosen hasn't reach anything like a 51% of support.--qgil 21:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Where do we post our entries?
...Sorry for the stupid question, maybe I didn't read it carefully enough, but where do we post our entries? jakemaheu 20:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is only a proposal yet, it will be discussed and considered first. bundyo 20:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops... I was already finishing my 4th design (just for kicks, to see what the GIMP could do) when I refreshed the page. jakemaheu 21:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Contest Debate
Just so people can express their opinions on this, let me be the first to say that I would love to do this. I do, however, have some questions.


 * 1) Would there be any age restrictions? (Please let there not be any)
 * 2) Who would be coordinating this?

Conclusion: Support —jakemaheu 21:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The idea is for this to be a community organized and driven contest. I'd don't see any purpose in age restrictions other than that there may be some issues with flying somebody underaged out to Germany for OSiM, this point will probably need clarification from Nokia, anyway. —GeneralAntilles 21:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks GA! The reason I asked is because I am 14 (the youngest IT user on ITT?) and want to enter.
 * I don't see any problem in entering the contest. If age is a problem with travelling then we could always find a substitute (no idea, but the showstoppers would be in the ticket purchase or the check-ins at the airport/hotel, not in Nokia's side).--qgil 21:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Who takes the coordination?
As a Nokia employee, I really don't want to be in the middle of the organization of this contest. Who takes it? Of course I will help out and provide Nokia's view on whatever Nokia can inform i.e. details on the prize.--qgil 21:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, GeneralAntillies said that the idea was for it to be a community-driven contest, so I guess that would mean community-managed? jakemaheu 21:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, but having people explicitly responsible of coordinating a task is generally a good idea.--qgil 21:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean now. But who? That would have to be some volunteers whom are not entering or biased (the hardest part if we want members from the ITT community). jakemaheu 22:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The work that needs to be done now is to coordinate the discussion on rules and process until reaching conclusions. You can be entering and biased and be an efficient coordinator of these tasks, as far as you don't campaign and don't get involved in the decision of the winner.--qgil 22:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Rules Discussion
As qgil said, we need to coordinate the discussion on rules. Any suggestion? jakemaheu 22:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'll start.

-Community judged.

-Run by a committee?

-Official guidelines? (Sizes, formats?) jakemaheu 22:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We should separate each item up for discussion into its own topic. —GeneralAntilles 07:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Entry submission procedure
Do this work for everybody as the entry submission procedure? Sizes and image formats need to be worked out further (vector formats like svg are probably preferable in the end).

Submission procedure
Contestants must follow the following procedure for submitting their logos.

Maemo.org_logo_contest_ .png and enter this into the summary: maemo.org logo contest entry from User: == ==
 * Logos should be saved either as svg or png, and be at least 500 pixels wide. Lossy formats like jpg may be accepted for the contest, but the winner will be expected to provide a high-quality vector or lossless bitmap image of their logo.
 * The logo should then be uploaded on the Special:Upload page. Please name your images in this format:
 * After the logo has been uploaded, the user should then add their submission to the bottom of the maemo.org logo contest entries page by editing the page and adding an entry in this format:

For example, my submission would be uploaded here: Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_GeneralAntilles.png, and my entry would look like: == GeneralAntilles ==

—GeneralAntilles 07:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then the voting system should be integrated in the wiki, wouldn't that be too hard to implement? Should be closer to the actual entry to prevent confusion while voting. bundyo 12:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You tell me. ;) Wikipedia doesn't really do the whole voting thing, and I haven't been able to find any mediawiki plugins for it. Personally, I think it will be. —GeneralAntilles 16:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know of one mediawiki rating plugin but it is for rating articles. And i never wrote mediawiki plugins too :) bundyo 18:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then again, if XHR is used, the actual vote processing script can well be outside the wiki, sharing only the authentication. bundyo 20:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Image size and format
I'm not too concerned about the quality of the submissions (as long as they're at least judge-able and a little bit uniform), but we should definitely decide on what the winner is required to provide in the way of images. I'm thinking svg or psd and vector (or really big bitmap) is preferable. —GeneralAntilles 07:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be fine with me-- I made a couple practice ones (that look pretty good, btw) and I exported them from the GIMP in .png format. If you'd like to see them, they're linked on my user page. 16:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to reinvent the wheel? From https://help.launchpad.net/logo/ : Logo must include SVG source and look good when scaled to any size. Some sample sizes that we use today are: 1. A small image of exactly 14x14 pixels and at most 5kb in size. (icon) 2. An image of exactly 64x64 pixels no bigger than 50kb in size. (logo/hackergotchi) 3. A large image of exactly 192x192 pixels be no bigger than 100kb in size. (mugshot)--qgil 20:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then again there are many people using bitmap editors like Gimp and Photoshop and not familiar with vector drawing. bundyo 20:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Bundyo has a point-- the ones I made were made in the GIMP. Luckily, they can be exported in many different formats. Also, I now need to go look up vector drawing.

jakemaheu 20:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A good logo needs to be in vectorial format at the end. Perhaps not making a requirement to enter the contest, but a requirement to the winner (s/he can always get help from someone familiar with Inkscape or similar tools).--qgil 21:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Winning Issues
A new, separate problem would be this: "Who is paying?"

Doing an example search on Northwest Airlines (for me) from Detroit to Berlin is a 13 hour flight, and it costs almost $2300 (round-trip).

That, plus an N810W would total nearly $2700+, not including if the hotel is included. (Side Note: Do they have WiMax in Berlin? If they did, that would be sweet.)

Just making a note. jakemaheu 20:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nokia pays.--qgil 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Pre-selection of candidates?
There could be a possibility of going through a pre-selection of candidates in order to filter those not matching the rules. For instance has an explicit remembrance to the OS2008 wallpaper. Imagine voters (not always aware of the rules) love it and it wins.--qgil 21:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)