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== What others think ==
Links from blog/media reviews on third party Maemo applications:
* http://thenokiablog.com/2008/07/25/nokia-internet-tablet-top-8-applications/
* http://creeva.com/2008/05/07/first-night-with-the-n810/

== Category Distinctions ==

Clarification on the criteria for distinguishing between categories would be very helpful; while the difference of "Born for Maemo" and "Very Nice Ports" is plain, the exact distinction of "Outstanding Utilities" is unclear. [[User:benson|benson]] 17:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you think I have it clear myself.  :)  At the beginnign the intend was clear: a home applet doing a single task belongs to a different category than a full featured application. However, the line is definitely grey. Proposals for improvement are welcome! --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 22:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thread in Internet Tablet Talk ==

See also the interesting discussion at [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21334 Listing the remarkable projects around Maemo] --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 05:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

== Alpha Applications == 
Beeing the developer of WeightJinni I was coaxed that it was named on this web page. However I was suprized that it was claimed to be alpha. I think it was initialy labeled "alpha" on downloads but since there was one person that used it every day over some months and found it stable and useable ( 5 Kg :-)) it was raised to "stable" a while ago. So was this labeled because of crashed or missing features? Please contact me! --[[User:framstag|framstag]] 06:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
: The "(still in alpha)" was written by the guy who listed your app. The [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni/ Downloads page] says "not yet well tested beta" and "Stable Quality". "1 vote - 280 downloads" doesn't tell much also about the feedback level. So perhaps you need to clarify things a bit when promoting your app so your users get the picture right.  :)  fyi I haven't tested the app myself, nor I pretend to test all the apps proposed at this point. This needs to be a community effort as well at some point. Thanks for the interest! --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

== Not in Extras ==

mYTube was in extras, don't know what happened. Maybe the developer can shed some light. [[User:bundyo|bundyo]] 07:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:Not in Nokia's interest maybe? (Just speculating..)
::Are you kidding? Asking the developer takes as much time as speculating in such a senseless way.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's in Nokia interest, not at the contrary. The developer ask about her problem [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19798&highlight=mytube here], and I pointed her to the bugzilla, but it never happened. Probably, the package was automatically deleted because it was uploaded to a bad place in the repository. --[[User:yerga|yerga]] 21:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, there is some legal uncertainty connected with those YouTube downloaders/viewers that might make it less desirable for a big company to promote such a program. With Mapper for example that's less of a concern as it has other uses than breaching Google map's TOS, but an application with a single purpose is harder to defend legally. However, the reasons in this particular case might as well be completely different of course, and I'm sure somebody will be able to tell us something about it.
::::Mytube is now in diablo extras repository. --[[User:yerga|yerga]] 12:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Good to see. Keeping the eyes open and motivations in mind should be a good idea nevertheless- even just to keep expectations realistic.
::::::Can you please sign & date your comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>? Thanks --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 14:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Relationship with Pearls ==

We already have one way of singling out remarkable projects - the [https://maemo.org/downloads/featured/OS2008/25/ Maemo Pearls]. What's the relationship between these applications and those?
:I'd say the pearls need to be selected from the remarkable community projects only.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Are we aiming to have these apps be features prominently in the existing Downloads site, in the wiki, or on the maemo.org home page?
: +1 Downloads section.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm unclear what form the final remarkable projects list will take. I was planning on taking the screen cap from each project, put it together with a <200 word introduction, and link to the application page, and have that be a page in the wiki, linked to from the front page.
:Screen cap + intro + link to app page is what the Downloads server app does already with page listings. Let's just use that service instead of adding more manual work in the wiki. This will need an improvement to create such pages: flesh for a task in a next sprint?--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:: That's what I thought too - seemed like a lot of duplication of effort. So here's my plan: add a check-box to apps to allow admins to tag them "remarkable community projects", and have the equivalent of the featured apps page list them all, rather than just the apps which have featured as pearls in the past. The alternative quick fix is to set a "featured app" time for all the applications we consider remarkable apps, and they will appear in this list right now. I like this solution because it doesn't require hacking the server, and we can always update the time in an app from the list at some stage to bring it back to the front page. --[[User:dneary|Dave Neary]] 22:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we should move all of the currently excluded apps off the page and into the Talk page, and contact maintainers to let them know what they need to do to get in the list of remarkable projects.

==Ruled Out==
These applications have been ruled out on one or more criteria, but can be brought back to the Proposals once they meet the criteria.

===Not in maemo.org extras===
Appear in good condition to the user (e.g. beta/stable, page in Downloads, one-click install...) but are out of the maemo.org extras game.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Claws Mail]: The only full-featured mail program for the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader FBReader] : The best free e-book reader.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mauku/ Mauku]: Jaiku client designed explicitly for Maemo, and makes good use of the UI including finger / stylus / kinetic gestures.
:Mauku developer plans to put it in Extras. Has account setup already. --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 11:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

===Not available in Downloads===
Being consistent, the most remarkable applications for Maemo need to be available in http://maemo.org/downloads
*Abiword : Abiword's another desktop application which has a really nice port to maemo. A document editor which is very powerful and lightweight.
*Dates & Contacts : Both part of the Pimlico suite of applications, these allow me to use the N810 as a personal calendar and address book, with desktop synchronisation to boot.
*Gnumeric : Gnumeric is a great spreadsheet application, and the maemo port has been very nicely done.
*GPE Suite : Calendar, Contacts and To-Do List are quite useful. Use Erminig to sync Calendar with Google Calendars.
*GrandCentral Dialer : A simple GUI that interfaces with GrandCentral.  Dialer + Gizmo can be used for virtually free calling to and from regular phones.
*Gourmet Recipe Manager : A neat way to plan meals.
*MLB Viewer : For baseball fans, simple UI, subscription to mlb.com required for video, audio is 'free'.
*[http://notecase.sourceforge.net/index.html NoteCase] : a full featured hierarchical note manager 
*VCURLs72 : Major US TV channels on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee
*XChat : IRC on your tablet. Nice port.

===Still Alpha===
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni Weightjinni] :  A simple way to track food consumption, weight loss/gain (still in alpha).

*[http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 liqbase] : playtest for sketching with kinetic graffiti and fullscreen tearfree refresh

===Developed by Nokia===
These are left out here.
*Camera : This is the first 3rd party application I installed on my tablet.
*Fmradio : The other first 3rd party application n800 users install on their tablet.

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 * http://thenokiablog.com/2008/07/25/nokia-internet-tablet-top-8-applications/
 * http://creeva.com/2008/05/07/first-night-with-the-n810/
-* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21988 20 Remarkably Useful Posts] is also a list of remarkable projects.
 == Category Distinctions ==
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 ::::::Can you please sign & date your comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>? Thanks --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 14:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-mogg is not in diablo extras. Should it be removed from the list? --[[Special:Contributions/83.150.82.126|83.150.82.126]] 00:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC) (mikkov, but wiki doesn't keep me logged in)
-:MaemoPad+ and maemo-mapper are also missing from diablo extras --[[Special:Contributions/83.150.82.126|83.150.82.126]] 00:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 == Relationship with Pearls ==
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 ==Ruled Out==
 These applications have been ruled out on one or more criteria, but can be brought back to the Proposals once they meet the criteria.
-=== Doesn't install cleanly via .install ===
-*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/labyrinth Labyrinth]: An idea-mapping tool with a lot of potential.
-*<s>[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemopadplus MaemoPad+]: Tree-based notes and sketching application</s> - installs cleanly now
-*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ USB Control]: Take advantage of USB keyboards & drives (drives require a separate power source) w/Nokia cable & adapter.
-*<s>[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/ Quiver]: Simple UI is fast and flexible.  Does one thing--displays photos--well.</s> - tested on a fresh diablo, installs fine.
-*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/ ScummVM]: program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files.
-*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pidgin Pidgin for Maemo]: Instant messaging application, ported from the desktop.
-*<s>[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/phonelink PhoneLink]: Send SMS or dial a number using GPE or built-in (EDS) Contacts and a bluetooth-enable mobile phone.</s> - installs cleanly now
 ===Not in maemo.org extras===
 Appear in good condition to the user (e.g. beta/stable, page in Downloads, one-click install...) but are out of the maemo.org extras game.
+*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Claws Mail]: The only full-featured mail program for the tablet.
+*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader FBReader] : The best free e-book reader.
 *[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mauku/ Mauku]: Jaiku client designed explicitly for Maemo, and makes good use of the UI including finger / stylus / kinetic gestures.
 :Mauku developer plans to put it in Extras. Has account setup already. --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 11:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
-::Mauku is in Extras now. --[[User:hhedberg|hhedberg]] 17:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
-*[http://garage.maemo.org/projects/boxar boxar]: an easy to learn and easy to master musical instrument for Maemo.
 ===Not available in Downloads===
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 *Dates & Contacts : Both part of the Pimlico suite of applications, these allow me to use the N810 as a personal calendar and address book, with desktop synchronisation to boot.
 *Gnumeric : Gnumeric is a great spreadsheet application, and the maemo port has been very nicely done.
+*GPE Suite : Calendar, Contacts and To-Do List are quite useful. Use Erminig to sync Calendar with Google Calendars.
+*GrandCentral Dialer : A simple GUI that interfaces with GrandCentral.  Dialer + Gizmo can be used for virtually free calling to and from regular phones.
 *Gourmet Recipe Manager : A neat way to plan meals.
 *MLB Viewer : For baseball fans, simple UI, subscription to mlb.com required for video, audio is 'free'.
 *[http://notecase.sourceforge.net/index.html NoteCase] : a full featured hierarchical note manager
 *VCURLs72 : Major US TV channels on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee
 *XChat : IRC on your tablet. Nice port.
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 *[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni Weightjinni] :  A simple way to track food consumption, weight loss/gain (still in alpha).
-*[http://liqbase.net/ liqbase] : playground for sketching with kinetic graffiti with fullscreen tearfree refresh
+*[http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 liqbase] : playtest for sketching with kinetic graffiti and fullscreen tearfree refresh
-**Undergoing full testing in preperation for pushing to extras.
-**.deb package available
-**born ON maemo FOR maemo, makes the most of the device
-**http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23854
 ===Developed by Nokia===