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amigadave: /* Can we expect Java support in Maemo 5 ? */ reformat note

2011-03-28T09:15:04Z

Can we expect Java support in Maemo 5 ?: reformat note

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	Not officially supported in Maemo 5. If someone brings it fine, but not us. We have been always consistent on this.		Not officially supported in Maemo 5. If someone brings it fine, but not us. We have been always consistent on this.
-	~~P.S the maemo community has added java suport via icedtea and micro emulator apps~~
	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553534&postcount=179 Quim Gil (Nokia)]		\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553534&postcount=179 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD		\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
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		+	Editor note: the Maemo community has added [[Java\|Java support]] via icedtea and micro emulator.

	=== Can we expect hardware accelerated flash 10 in Maemo 5 ? ===		=== Can we expect hardware accelerated flash 10 in Maemo 5 ? ===

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2011-03-24T10:28:13Z

Can we expect Java support in Maemo 5 ?

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	Not officially supported in Maemo 5. If someone brings it fine, but not us. We have been always consistent on this.		Not officially supported in Maemo 5. If someone brings it fine, but not us. We have been always consistent on this.
		+	P.S the maemo community has added java suport via icedtea and micro emulator apps
	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553534&postcount=179 Quim Gil (Nokia)]		\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553534&postcount=179 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD		\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD

amigadave: /* PR1.3 */ correct March to May

2011-02-25T13:14:49Z

PR1.3: correct March to May

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-	Editor note: PR1.2 and PR1.3 were released in ~~March~~ and October 2010, respectively.	+	Editor note: PR1.2 and PR1.3 were released in May and October 2010, respectively.

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amigadave: /* What are the officially-confirmed major feature in future Maemo 5 release ? */ add PR1.2 and PR1.3 release information

2011-02-25T10:18:26Z

What are the officially-confirmed major feature in future Maemo 5 release ?: add PR1.2 and PR1.3 release information

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	# QT Mobility. Source: [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=561617&postcount=4 Urho Konttori (Nokia)]		# QT Mobility. Source: [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=561617&postcount=4 Urho Konttori (Nokia)]
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		+	Editor note: PR1.2 and PR1.3 were released in March and October 2010, respectively.

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about the community, Maemo.org and MeeGo.com */ use quotation template

2011-02-15T15:47:15Z

Questions & Answers about the community, Maemo.org and MeeGo.com: use quotation template

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	=== What will happen to maemo.org now that MeeGo has been announced ? ===		=== What will happen to maemo.org now that MeeGo has been announced ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	The destiny of Maemo.org depends on the Maemo community (yes, you). In the meantime we keep funding the hosting and nobody is thinking of unpluggin servers or taking radical measures to stop anything here.		The destiny of Maemo.org depends on the Maemo community (yes, you). In the meantime we keep funding the hosting and nobody is thinking of unpluggin servers or taking radical measures to stop anything here.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== What will happen to the council ? ===		=== What will happen to the council ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	About the council, ask the current candidates. Nokia has nothing to say about this. The community created the council and the community is the one deciding what to do now and in the MeeGo context. fwiw we supported Jaffa's idea of an elected body representing 'the community' towards Nokia and somehow we think the core concept might make sense at MeeGo as well. Said that, the MeeGo project is fundamentally different since it is aimed to be an open project participated by individuals and organizations. The purpose of a Council for MeeGo needs to re-evaluated.		About the council, ask the current candidates. Nokia has nothing to say about this. The community created the council and the community is the one deciding what to do now and in the MeeGo context. fwiw we supported Jaffa's idea of an elected body representing 'the community' towards Nokia and somehow we think the core concept might make sense at MeeGo as well. Said that, the MeeGo project is fundamentally different since it is aimed to be an open project participated by individuals and organizations. The purpose of a Council for MeeGo needs to re-evaluated.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	The 2010 maemo.org community council has been challenged to identify what role(s) a MeeGo community council might have. We are working on defining this and welcome input. Meanwhile, we continue to support this community while helping establish MeeGo.com.		The 2010 maemo.org community council has been challenged to identify what role(s) a MeeGo community council might have. We are working on defining this and welcome input. Meanwhile, we continue to support this community while helping establish MeeGo.com.
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	=== What will happen to those who work on the Maemo infrastructure and code base - there already exists a MeeGo code base and infrastructure ? ===		=== What will happen to those who work on the Maemo infrastructure and code base - there already exists a MeeGo code base and infrastructure ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	We keep funding the Maemo.org pro development team, reviewing contracts every 6 months as we have been doing since we started 'liberating' these *master roles. Note that the Maemo.org development team decide their priorities and tasks through a public process, so it is also up to them process to decide where to invest their time. Now they are finding their counterparts in the Moblin project and the Linux Foundation, and we all will need to find the place for all of us (Nokians included e.g. Tero and myself). Giving roles implies giving admin rights on tools and servers, all this is based on trust and this takes a bit of time, as sysadmins know.		We keep funding the Maemo.org pro development team, reviewing contracts every 6 months as we have been doing since we started 'liberating' these *master roles. Note that the Maemo.org development team decide their priorities and tasks through a public process, so it is also up to them process to decide where to invest their time. Now they are finding their counterparts in the Moblin project and the Linux Foundation, and we all will need to find the place for all of us (Nokians included e.g. Tero and myself). Giving roles implies giving admin rights on tools and servers, all this is based on trust and this takes a bit of time, as sysadmins know.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== What will happen to Maemo Summit ? ===		=== What will happen to Maemo Summit ? ===

-	~~''From'' [http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/2010/03/nokia-spotlight-interview-with-peter.html ''mobiletablets.blogspot.com'']~~	+	{{quotation\|
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	The direct face-to-face time with the community remains an important part of reaching out to the community. I'm rather confident that we will have at least one get-together this year for the community. It's going to be a MeeGo community get-together and everybody is invited.		The direct face-to-face time with the community remains an important part of reaching out to the community. I'm rather confident that we will have at least one get-together this year for the community. It's going to be a MeeGo community get-together and everybody is invited.
-		+	\|2=[http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/2010/03/nokia-spotlight-interview-with-peter.html Peter Schneider (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/2010/03/nokia-spotlight-interview-with-peter.html Peter Schneider] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Nokia Spotlight: Interview with Peter Schneider - Part 1
		+	\|4=mobiletablets.blogspot.com}}

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about the next Harmattan/MeeGo device from Nokia */ use qutation template

2011-02-15T15:39:32Z

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	== Questions & Answers about the next Harmattan/MeeGo device from Nokia ==		== Questions & Answers about the next Harmattan/MeeGo device from Nokia ==

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	We never ever speculate about devices before they are launched.		We never ever speculate about devices before they are launched.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556439&postcount=217 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556439&postcount=217 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about Harmattan */ use quotation template

2011-02-15T15:35:13Z

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about Meego */ use quotation template

2011-02-15T14:43:17Z

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	=== Who is responsible for MeeGo ? ===		=== Who is responsible for MeeGo ? ===

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	The MeeGo project is the responsible of the MeeGo releases and hardware they support for their releases. The current supporters of MeeGo are Intel, Nokia and the Linux Foundation.		The MeeGo project is the responsible of the MeeGo releases and hardware they support for their releases. The current supporters of MeeGo are Intel, Nokia and the Linux Foundation.
		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555005&postcount=7 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
		+	\|3=MeeGo: Towards Day One
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

-	~~Source : [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555005&postcount=7 Quim Gil] (Nokia)~~	+	{{quotation\|
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	Get this thing straight: this is http://meego.com - a free software project hosted by the Linux Foundation. Yes, Nokia has a big involvement there. No, it is not a Nokia project.		Get this thing straight: this is http://meego.com - a free software project hosted by the Linux Foundation. Yes, Nokia has a big involvement there. No, it is not a Nokia project.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555111&postcount=23 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555111&postcount=23 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=MeeGo: Towards Day One
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== What devices will be supported by MeeGo ? ===		=== What devices will be supported by MeeGo ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	The current supporters of MeeGo are Intel, Nokia and the Linux Foundation. The (Linux Fondation) has no own hardware so has nothing to support. Intel has chipsets and development boards (there is no Netbook from Intel, they are from vendors using Intel chipsets) and Nokia has devices (no ARM development board from Nokia). Hence the logical conclusion of [http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one announcing support for Atom boards and the N900] at this point. This will change if other vendors appear offering official support for the hardware they are responsible of.		The current supporters of MeeGo are Intel, Nokia and the Linux Foundation. The (Linux Fondation) has no own hardware so has nothing to support. Intel has chipsets and development boards (there is no Netbook from Intel, they are from vendors using Intel chipsets) and Nokia has devices (no ARM development board from Nokia). Hence the logical conclusion of [http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one announcing support for Atom boards and the N900] at this point. This will change if other vendors appear offering official support for the hardware they are responsible of.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555005&postcount=7 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555005&postcount=7 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=MeeGo: Towards Day One
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== What steps is Nokia taking for open source drivers on MeeGo ? ===		=== What steps is Nokia taking for open source drivers on MeeGo ? ===

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	Basically, Nokia puts considerable effort pushing hardware vendors in that direction. Open source drivers play well with the Nokia chipset strategy and with Linux development. But of course these companies need to make business, so asking them to open their [[:wikipedia:Intellectual_Property_Rights\|IPR]] without suggesting any alternative is not the best approach.		Basically, Nokia puts considerable effort pushing hardware vendors in that direction. Open source drivers play well with the Nokia chipset strategy and with Linux development. But of course these companies need to make business, so asking them to open their [[:wikipedia:Intellectual_Property_Rights\|IPR]] without suggesting any alternative is not the best approach.

	MeeGo, with Intel as initial founder (a company with good track offering open drivers), is one of the biggest and most concrete public actions Nokia could push in that direction.		MeeGo, with Intel as initial founder (a company with good track offering open drivers), is one of the biggest and most concrete public actions Nokia could push in that direction.
		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=554051&postcount=14 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
		+	\|3=Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

-	~~Source : [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=554051&postcount=14 Quim Gil] (Nokia)~~	+	{{quotation\|
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	Closed hardware driver are problematic only when the owners don't provide updated versions for new releases. The MeeGo project is working hard to have those drivers owners on board.		Closed hardware driver are problematic only when the owners don't provide updated versions for new releases. The MeeGo project is working hard to have those drivers owners on board.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553750&postcount=6 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553750&postcount=6 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== Is the UX Componant of MeeGo device-specific ? ===		=== Is the UX Componant of MeeGo device-specific ? ===

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	No matter how many [[:wikipedia:User_experience\|UX]] changes vendors do, they need to provide the official MeeGo [[:wikipedia:API\|API]] if they want to call their product a MeeGo device.		No matter how many [[:wikipedia:User_experience\|UX]] changes vendors do, they need to provide the official MeeGo [[:wikipedia:API\|API]] if they want to call their product a MeeGo device.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553750&postcount=6 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=553750&postcount=6 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Will MeeGo finally end the Rapid Obsolescence Syndrome (ROS)
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== How many application written for Maemo 5 will be able to run in MeeGo 1 ? ===		=== How many application written for Maemo 5 will be able to run in MeeGo 1 ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	... (T)he MeeGo API is based on Qt (and Web Runtime), so Qt apps for Maemo 5 will work there with little effort. The rest depends on how fast MeeGo devices and Harmattan show up in the market.		... (T)he MeeGo API is based on Qt (and Web Runtime), so Qt apps for Maemo 5 will work there with little effort. The rest depends on how fast MeeGo devices and Harmattan show up in the market.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555470&postcount=50 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555470&postcount=50 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=MeeGo: Towards Day One
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

	=== Will my favorite Maemo 5 GTK+ application run on MeeGo 1 ? ===		=== Will my favorite Maemo 5 GTK+ application run on MeeGo 1 ? ===

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	[http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2010-February/msg00010.html Up to the GTK+ and Hildon maintainers] in the first place. They are the first ones to decide whether it's worth the effort of aligning the GTK+ approaches of Moblin and Maemo, get the Hildon libraries running on top, try or try not to work on adapted bindings to give to GTK+/Hildon apps a MeeGo native look&feel...		[http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2010-February/msg00010.html Up to the GTK+ and Hildon maintainers] in the first place. They are the first ones to decide whether it's worth the effort of aligning the GTK+ approaches of Moblin and Maemo, get the Hildon libraries running on top, try or try not to work on adapted bindings to give to GTK+/Hildon apps a MeeGo native look&feel...

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	fwiw the Maemo team is in talks with the GNOME Foundation to bring more GTK+/Hildon apps to Maemo 5 and to help on the kick-off of the 'GTK+ community support'. We started the talks in the context of Harmattan and we are just continuing in the context of MeeGo. We hope to get something concrete to explain soon.		fwiw the Maemo team is in talks with the GNOME Foundation to bring more GTK+/Hildon apps to Maemo 5 and to help on the kick-off of the 'GTK+ community support'. We started the talks in the context of Harmattan and we are just continuing in the context of MeeGo. We hope to get something concrete to explain soon.
		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
		+	\|3=Cleaning N900 FUD
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org}}

-	~~Source : [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=556430&postcount=215 Quim Gil] (Nokia)~~	+	=== A network provider in my country has announced support for MeeGo. Is it a good thing ? ===
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-	=== A network provider in my country has announced support for MeeGo. Is it a good thing ? ===	+

		+	{{quotation\|
	Expect to see more announcements like this, some from partners you like, some of partners you dislike. Any new announcement adds more developers and users to MeeGo so, really, you should be happy about each one of them.		Expect to see more announcements like this, some from partners you like, some of partners you dislike. Any new announcement adds more developers and users to MeeGo so, really, you should be happy about each one of them.
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Orange is getting into MeeGo!
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org}}

	=== Network provider adapts OS to their needs. Should I be worried that my network provider cripple MeeGo ? ===		=== Network provider adapts OS to their needs. Should I be worried that my network provider cripple MeeGo ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	So it looks like (network provider) will take MeeGo [[:wikipedia:Vanilla_software\|vanilla]] and will adapt it to their needs. Great! This is what MeeGo is meant for, btw. If this means that they will put developers to tweak their own [[:wikipedia:User_experience\|UX]] variant and create their own (Qt / Web Runtime based?) apps, great! All this will bring useful feedback about the UX layers and the [[:wikipedia:API\|API]], for sure. Whatever else they do to adapt MeeGo will be also useful feedback for the platform development.		So it looks like (network provider) will take MeeGo [[:wikipedia:Vanilla_software\|vanilla]] and will adapt it to their needs. Great! This is what MeeGo is meant for, btw. If this means that they will put developers to tweak their own [[:wikipedia:User_experience\|UX]] variant and create their own (Qt / Web Runtime based?) apps, great! All this will bring useful feedback about the UX layers and the [[:wikipedia:API\|API]], for sure. Whatever else they do to adapt MeeGo will be also useful feedback for the platform development.

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	If you don't like what (network provider) does with MeeGo then don't get a MeeGo device from (network provider). I really don't understand the point of whining.		If you don't like what (network provider) does with MeeGo then don't get a MeeGo device from (network provider). I really don't understand the point of whining.
		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
		+	\|3=Orange is getting into MeeGo!
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

-	''Editor note : this discussion was about Orange''	+	Editor note: this discussion was about Orange
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-	~~Source : [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil] (Nokia)~~	+

	=== Would it be possible for a MeeGo partner to have too much influence on the platform ? ===		=== Would it be possible for a MeeGo partner to have too much influence on the platform ? ===

		+	{{quotation\|
	"Too much influence over the platform", what would this mean in practice? Please figure this out before worrying, otherwise you don't really know what you are worrying about. Bringing plenty of bugfixes in the form of patches? Contributing new features? Proposing better alternatives for software components that they would maintain?		"Too much influence over the platform", what would this mean in practice? Please figure this out before worrying, otherwise you don't really know what you are worrying about. Bringing plenty of bugfixes in the form of patches? Contributing new features? Proposing better alternatives for software components that they would maintain?
-		+	\|2=[http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil (Nokia)]
-	~~Source :~~ [http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=555057&postcount=30 Quim Gil] (Nokia)	+	\|3=Orange is getting into MeeGo!
		+	\|4=talk.maemo.org post}}

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about Maemo 5 */ use quotation template

2011-02-15T12:40:21Z

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amigadave: /* Questions & Answers about the Nokia N900 */ use quotation template

2011-02-15T11:36:19Z

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