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** '''Discussion''': ''Is busybox really needed on a tablet''? In initfs, sure, but in the actual system? Having sane coreutils and bsdutils (and debconf) -really- helps porting. Now that dash exists, is there a reason for busybox as sh? This avoids any conflicts with coreutils, bsdutils etc if they are going to be used.  
** '''Discussion''': ''Is busybox really needed on a tablet''? In initfs, sure, but in the actual system? Having sane coreutils and bsdutils (and debconf) -really- helps porting. Now that dash exists, is there a reason for busybox as sh? This avoids any conflicts with coreutils, bsdutils etc if they are going to be used.  
*** Following experiment was done:  
*** Following experiment was done:  
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**** These packages dpkg-deb -x'ed into a path: '''findutils'''_4.2.32-1ubuntu2_arm.deb '''gzip'''_1.3.12-3.2_arm.deb '''hostname'''_2.94_arm.deb '''ifupdown'''_0.6.8ubuntu8_arm.deb '''module-init-tools'''_3.3-pre11-4ubuntu5_arm.deb '''net-tools'''_1.60-19ubuntu1_arm.deb '''procps'''_3.2.7-9ubuntu1-mojo0_arm.deb '''sed'''_4.1.5-5_arm.deb '''tar'''_1.19-3_arm.deb '''coreutils'''_6.10-3ubuntu2_arm.deb '''grep'''_2.5.3~dfsg-3_arm.deb '''mount'''_2.13.1-5ubuntu1_arm.deb '''bsdutils'''_2.13.1-5ubuntu1_arm.deb '''dash'''_0.5.4-8ubuntu1_arm.deb '''debianutils'''_2.28.2-0ubuntu1_arm.deb '''vim-tiny'''_7.1-138+1ubuntu3_arm.deb '''mawk'''_1.3.3-11ubuntu2_arm.deb '''mktemp'''_1.5-5ubuntu2_arm.deb '''sysvutils'''_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45_arm.deb '''iputils-ping'''_20071127-1_arm.deb '''psmisc'''_22.6-1_arm.deb '''time'''_1.7-21build1_arm.deb '''bash'''_3.2-0ubuntu16_arm.deb '''login'''_4.0.18.2-1ubuntu2_arm.deb '''passwd'''_4.0.18.2-1ubuntu2_arm.deb  
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**** These packages dpkg-deb -x'ed into a path: findutils_4.2.32-1ubuntu2_arm.deb gzip_1.3.12-3.2_arm.deb hostname_2.94_arm.deb ifupdown_0.6.8ubuntu8_arm.deb module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-4ubuntu5_arm.deb net-tools_1.60-19ubuntu1_arm.deb procps_3.2.7-9ubuntu1-mojo0_arm.deb sed_4.1.5-5_arm.deb tar_1.19-3_arm.deb coreutils_6.10-3ubuntu2_arm.deb grep_2.5.3~dfsg-3_arm.deb mount_2.13.1-5ubuntu1_arm.deb bsdutils_2.13.1-5ubuntu1_arm.deb dash_0.5.4-8ubuntu1_arm.deb debianutils_2.28.2-0ubuntu1_arm.deb vim-tiny_7.1-138+1ubuntu3_arm.deb mawk_1.3.3-11ubuntu2_arm.deb mktemp_1.5-5ubuntu2_arm.deb sysvutils_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45_arm.deb iputils-ping_20071127-1_arm.deb psmisc_22.6-1_arm.deb time_1.7-21build1_arm.deb bash_3.2-0ubuntu16_arm.deb login_4.0.18.2-1ubuntu2_arm.deb passwd_4.0.18.2-1ubuntu2_arm.deb  
**** Stripping man pages, locales and info pages. 7.6mb uncompressed ''3.8mb'' jffs2 flash. And with busybox getting same treatment, 300k flash.
**** Stripping man pages, locales and info pages. 7.6mb uncompressed ''3.8mb'' jffs2 flash. And with busybox getting same treatment, 300k flash.
*** Is ''3.5mb'' flash so much to sacrifice for making porting for Maemo a matter of hildonization and platform-centric things, instead of hunting debconf, busybox incompatibilities and such for weird libraries you never heard of?
*** Is ''3.5mb'' flash so much to sacrifice for making porting for Maemo a matter of hildonization and platform-centric things, instead of hunting debconf, busybox incompatibilities and such for weird libraries you never heard of?

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