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:Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
- | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | + | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo_summit_2008|Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) |
:::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | :::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:::That's a logical OR, so users with young accounts who do participate and contribute can still vote. The idea with these requirements is to avoid having people open fake accounts to skew the votes. While it may seem harsh, I don't think the dubious advantage of letting zero-participation users vote outweighs this. Besides, it's not difficult to get together 25 karma points. --[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 14:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | :::That's a logical OR, so users with young accounts who do participate and contribute can still vote. The idea with these requirements is to avoid having people open fake accounts to skew the votes. While it may seem harsh, I don't think the dubious advantage of letting zero-participation users vote outweighs this. Besides, it's not difficult to get together 25 karma points. --[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 14:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Good points. Have we got the account age information, though? (Certainly not in any current UI, IIRC - will have to ask X-Fade or ferenc or someone if it's in the DB). This is related to the minimum-karma points required for nominees: we don't need minimum-karma thresholds for nominees if the community can be "trusted" to vote "sensibly" (IYSWIM). However, how can the community as a whole trust it's voice if there's no minimum threshold for the "quality" of the people voting. One of the aims of the council is to streamline and co-ordinate the community's response when Nokia want to know "what the community thinks", a lot of that is representing all of the people who are ''currently'' contributing and marshalling that response. Obviously, a wider aim is to increase participance and represent the people who are currently unheard; but I think these aims may have slightly different requirements in terms of council rules. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 21:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | :::Good points. Have we got the account age information, though? (Certainly not in any current UI, IIRC - will have to ask X-Fade or ferenc or someone if it's in the DB). This is related to the minimum-karma points required for nominees: we don't need minimum-karma thresholds for nominees if the community can be "trusted" to vote "sensibly" (IYSWIM). However, how can the community as a whole trust it's voice if there's no minimum threshold for the "quality" of the people voting. One of the aims of the council is to streamline and co-ordinate the community's response when Nokia want to know "what the community thinks", a lot of that is representing all of the people who are ''currently'' contributing and marshalling that response. Obviously, a wider aim is to increase participance and represent the people who are currently unheard; but I think these aims may have slightly different requirements in terms of council rules. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 21:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Merging with Task:Community Council == | == Merging with Task:Community Council == | ||
- | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[ | + | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[Task:Community Council]]. Until now I'm indetifying as "Task:" those pages to wormk on something, to avoid people getting confused with the Something (if you know what I mean).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 11:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC) |
:Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | :Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ||
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