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:Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
- | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | + | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo_summit_2008|Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) |
:::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | :::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:Agreed, perhaps the council members would be the only ones allowed to interact, and any questions would be sent via then --[[User:lardman|lardman]] 12:40, 13th June 2008 (GMT+1) | :Agreed, perhaps the council members would be the only ones allowed to interact, and any questions would be sent via then --[[User:lardman|lardman]] 12:40, 13th June 2008 (GMT+1) | ||
::Or maybe just act as the moderators who give ''voice'' to others. Otherwise there is a big burden on any council member to fairly represent/ask on behalf of people, and if they cannot live to up that people will get disillusioned, and you will probably see participation wane, except for those people with the ''contacts'' to get their voice heard. My 2 cents --[[User:trickie|trickie]] 12:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ::Or maybe just act as the moderators who give ''voice'' to others. Otherwise there is a big burden on any council member to fairly represent/ask on behalf of people, and if they cannot live to up that people will get disillusioned, and you will probably see participation wane, except for those people with the ''contacts'' to get their voice heard. My 2 cents --[[User:trickie|trickie]] 12:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
- | :::[http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033419.html | + | :::I'm with trickie here, [http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033419.html moderation was discussed] after the last #maemo-meeting and I was very against it. So, here's the proposal: |
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The current proposal says 100 karma points. Should this be reduced or this requirement lifted or revised pending improvements to the maemo.org karma system? It currently does not include edits from the new wiki, only includes bugs submitted from bugzilla, etc. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 03:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | The current proposal says 100 karma points. Should this be reduced or this requirement lifted or revised pending improvements to the maemo.org karma system? It currently does not include edits from the new wiki, only includes bugs submitted from bugzilla, etc. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 03:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
: If that's to be a precondition, then the problems with karma need to be fixed first. Notably: [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 bug #2481] and [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3240 bug #3240], but really there are a bunch of karma-related problems, if the measure actually becomes important for community participation. [https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content=karma Here's a list]. --[[User:dneary|dneary]] 13:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | : If that's to be a precondition, then the problems with karma need to be fixed first. Notably: [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 bug #2481] and [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3240 bug #3240], but really there are a bunch of karma-related problems, if the measure actually becomes important for community participation. [https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content=karma Here's a list]. --[[User:dneary|dneary]] 13:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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: We should be careful setting arbitrary thresholds. If someone with experience of community work came along and wanted to join, there should be the option somehow, despite the initial lack of karma --[[User:lardman|lardman]] 12:42, 13 June 2008 | : We should be careful setting arbitrary thresholds. If someone with experience of community work came along and wanted to join, there should be the option somehow, despite the initial lack of karma --[[User:lardman|lardman]] 12:42, 13 June 2008 | ||
- | : | + | : The karma requirement for voting has the same issues with the current limitations of the karma system. I also am concerned that if the council is going to represent the community, then we shouldn't be setting a high a barrier to voting, otherwise it will only be representing a certain part of the community. Perhaps alternative requirements such as being registered on maemo.org for at least 6 months (for example) could be used in addition to ensure voters have sufficient experience of maemo. --[[User:pepitoe|pepitoe]] 14:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== Council voting karma requirements == | == Council voting karma requirements == | ||
- | The karma requirement for voting has the same issues with the current limitations of the karma system. I also am concerned that if the council is going to represent the community, then we shouldn't be setting a high a barrier to voting, otherwise it will only be representing a certain part of the community. Perhaps alternative requirements such as being registered on maemo.org for at least 6 months (for example) could be used in addition to ensure voters have sufficient experience of maemo. --[[User:pepitoe|pepitoe]] 14:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | + | : The karma requirement for voting has the same issues with the current limitations of the karma system. I also am concerned that if the council is going to represent the community, then we shouldn't be setting a high a barrier to voting, otherwise it will only be representing a certain part of the community. Perhaps alternative requirements such as being registered on maemo.org for at least 6 months (for example) could be used in addition to ensure voters have sufficient experience of maemo. --[[User:pepitoe|pepitoe]] 14:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC) |
At the moment the proposal says 50 karma points are the minimum for voting for a candidate. I prefer the "usenet style" where everybody (with an valid mail adress and real name) is allow to vote for e.g. a new newsgroup name. It should be a small problem to vote vor 50 maemo.org applications to get enough karma for the vote. I think it should be enough to have a valid maemo.org account. No minimum karma points are needed. Maybe for the council itself but not for the right to vote. | At the moment the proposal says 50 karma points are the minimum for voting for a candidate. I prefer the "usenet style" where everybody (with an valid mail adress and real name) is allow to vote for e.g. a new newsgroup name. It should be a small problem to vote vor 50 maemo.org applications to get enough karma for the vote. I think it should be enough to have a valid maemo.org account. No minimum karma points are needed. Maybe for the council itself but not for the right to vote. | ||
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--[[User:jukey|jukey]] 14:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | --[[User:jukey|jukey]] 14:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I like this plan. So, the maemo.org account must exist for at least 6 months (maybe set something of an amnesty and make it 1 month for the first elections, since I know a lot of people don't yet have maemo.org accounts), exceptions will be made for new accounts less than 6 months old (or 1 month for the first election?) with more than 25 (?) karma points. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 04:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC) | :I like this plan. So, the maemo.org account must exist for at least 6 months (maybe set something of an amnesty and make it 1 month for the first elections, since I know a lot of people don't yet have maemo.org accounts), exceptions will be made for new accounts less than 6 months old (or 1 month for the first election?) with more than 25 (?) karma points. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 04:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Merging with Task:Community Council == | == Merging with Task:Community Council == | ||
- | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[ | + | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[Task:Community Council]]. Until now I'm indetifying as "Task:" those pages to wormk on something, to avoid people getting confused with the Something (if you know what I mean).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 11:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC) |
:Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | :Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ||
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