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We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.
We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.
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* I've see that there is a session about maemo packaging for extras, so i would talk of a tool recently available nammed py2deb, that enable onboard developper to make debian source package directly on a NIT that can be builded by autobuilder, but i m not sure yet i can come, so maybe someone else is interesting by this tool and maybe present it for me. As i use this tool for mcalendar,home widget, and other things, i think other onboard dev could be interested.-[[User:khertan|khertan]] 10:17, 28 July 2008 (GMT+2)
 
* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
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:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session.  :)  Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session.  :)  Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 
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:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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:: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.
:: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.
::If we get more lightning sessions we can have another round, although better on Saturday. They are good to break the routine.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::If we get more lightning sessions we can have another round, although better on Saturday. They are good to break the routine.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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* I ([[user:ntsourak| Nikos Tsourakis]]) want to demonstrate a multilingual multimodal medical translation sytem, which is deployed on the Nokia's N800 device. My application uses state of the art protocols for distributed speech recognition and innovative methods for machine translation. I think 5 minutes is enough for an eye catching presentation. More info can be found at: http://www.issco.unige.ch/staff/tsourakis/medSLT-site/demos.html
 
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: Are you booked for the conference?  [[User:brontide|brontide]] 21:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 
* I ([[user:jsmanrique|jsmanrique]]) would like talking about [http://elisator.garage.maemo.org elisator] project and how [http://easy.garage.maemo.org Easy] library has helped and how could be improved. Elisator has been developed for cow's milk analisys and it has been funded by [http://www.fao.org FAO].--[[user:jsmanrique|jsmanrique]]  14:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:jsmanrique|jsmanrique]]) would like talking about [http://elisator.garage.maemo.org elisator] project and how [http://easy.garage.maemo.org Easy] library has helped and how could be improved. Elisator has been developed for cow's milk analisys and it has been funded by [http://www.fao.org FAO].--[[user:jsmanrique|jsmanrique]]  14:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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* [[user:etrunko|Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)]] would like to talk about the [http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/qedje/ QEdje] library which is being developed in INdT. This presentation will be focused on demos and much shorter than the one presented in Akademy this year by Leonardo Sobral and Artur Souza. You can find a preview on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZUwUDeJfX0 Youtube]. --[[User:etrunko|etrunko]] 18:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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:May I add it to the program??? Friday or Saturday session?? --[[User:etrunko|etrunko]] 20:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Added. I have also reorganized the sessions attempting to group those with a similar topic. Looking at the timing it seems that we have fully packed for both days. Can we consider the call for lightning sessions closed?--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 11:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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::: Here's my vote for "yes." There are plenty! --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
=== Saturday 20th ===
=== Saturday 20th ===
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List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc.  '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page.  If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].
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I will continue to accept requests to speak, but I can't make any guarantee that the schedule will accommodate more people.  If I have scheduled any conflicts for presenters please let me know.  [[User:brontide|brontide]] 15:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Is it possible to schedule the ''maemo.org website redesign meeting'' in a slot where there is nothing about packaging, publishing, Extras or anythin website related at the same time. I need to be at those and it is generating conflicts at the moment. Thanks! --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 06:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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::If I have to make another change I will keep that in mind.  The problem is that no time is perfect for everyone and I have already moved it once because some people were leaving early.  [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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:::Well, yes, but xfade aka Niels Breet is the maemo.org webmaster AND the responsable of maemo.org extras packaging tools. He really needs to be present and active in both sessions. For instance, what about moving the maemo.org redesign session to 13h instead of "maemo.org extras Package Cleanup Sprint". Anyway, dos it make sense to have this packaging sprint session in 30'? This is too short time to get any result isn't it.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 21:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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::::All that needed to be said is that he is participating in both sessions.  I had a request from Dave that it be earlier.  I have moved the website session to the 15:00 block and swapped it with clutter.  If 30 minutes is too short for package cleanup I have a jalimo session I could schedule in one of those blocks.  [[User:brontide|brontide]] 03:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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==== Comments on the current agenda ====
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* Proposal for some changes in the morning: 9:30 100Days - 10:00 Community council - 10:30 Future of extras (only, the other 2 sessions about packaging go to the afternoon) - 11:00 We are not users - 11:30 Lightning - 12:00 break until 12:30 and then 3 tracks until the last wrap up session in the big room.
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* 1h break for lunch at 14h like the previous day.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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* The 3 tracks could be organized more or less like this: one for hardcore/platform development (e.g. DSP), one for average application developers (eg. the packaging stuff) and one with topics accessible for non-developers (e.g. UI guide) + the [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Introduction_to_Maemo_hacking.3F]] that still needs to be scheduled. There will be anyway overlaps and difficult decisions, but at least this will favour less nomadism between spaces all the time, and someone lazy could stay in the same room if the previous topic was in target.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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* What about changing Maemo Community 2009 for [[2010 Agenda]]? This will need a lot of input and work from the community to be something really pushed not only by Nokia with its community hat. In mid September 2009 is around the corner anyway, it's not mid term view anymore. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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=== Mini Exhibit ===
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These are proposals that came in after the schedule was filled. If I need to shuffle the schedule or if presenters drop out I will try and get these scheduled.
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''This is getting big - please organize this at [[Maemo Summit 2008/Exhibit]]. As I see it, if we do it then it is better to have it both in OSiM and Summit for double impact. See also the comments at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM]]''.
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Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.
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* '''Jalimo:''': by Sebastian
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* '''"Why do we do it?"''': how I got involved in free software, the lessons I have learned from it by Dave Neary
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* Lightning talk '''KDE on maemo''': by Marijn Kruisselbrink (arriving friday during lunch in Berlin)
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: We will squeeze in 5 more minutes for the session, have fun. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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Here are some ideas: ( cleanup by [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] lets concentrate on community items )
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''Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Exhibit]]. See also the comments at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM]]''.
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I would like to see a handful of units out with a selection of [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Born_for_Maemo|"Born for Maemo"]] loaded on each as well as a number of non-conflicting [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Outstanding_utilities|Outstanding Utilities]].  Below are the items that I believe would be booth and OSiM friendly.  The nice thing about this list is that we can consume any number of units with this same software and rotate what's being demo'ed easily. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
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: Client or server?  I think I would want to load vnc server on many of the units to allow for us to "demo" on a monitor.  [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
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: Shouldn't be a problem with demo'ing either ARM or DSP version, might be worth bringing some 3.5mm speakers to plug into a headset so more than one person can head the output -[[User:lardman|lardman]] 13:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC+1)
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: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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::I don't know. Why not asking them? Mike Jennings will come to OSiM, perhaps contacting in advance would a nice gesture. To avoid confusion, it should be clear that this is a move from maemo.org - the Maemo community and nothing Nokia official (this will be clear in the stand, if only by seeing a big maemo.org logo and many tablets with no-Maemo and non-Nokia 3rd party apps inside).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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::: Sounds good.  I think one unit with Andriod would be great assuming we have enough units, but I would say it's low priority. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
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* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
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:The puppies are getting a bit old... I can ask the developers if you really want them there, though.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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::: Robots are cools and bring media attention, sure. This was one reason why I convinced the guys to go to GUADEC last year. I'm not sure we want to have media attention one year later about the same, Bora technology in the times of Fremantle.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
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I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)
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I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support.  If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
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== Travel ==
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Latest revision as of 12:02, 21 November 2024

Contents

[edit] Program

[edit] Help with the program

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program. Thanks!--qgil 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --qgil 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Saturday Coordinator ~ Eric Warnke Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. brontide 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lightning sessions

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

  • I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- Monkeyiq July 19.
Now you can list it yourself.--qgil 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Now you can list it yourself.--qgil 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session.  :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--qgil 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Now you can list it yourself.--qgil 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I ( Gustavo Barbieri) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --timsamoff 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) brontide 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.
If we get more lightning sessions we can have another round, although better on Saturday. They are good to break the routine.--qgil 18:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I (jsmanrique) would like talking about elisator project and how Easy library has helped and how could be improved. Elisator has been developed for cow's milk analisys and it has been funded by FAO.--jsmanrique 14:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Eduardo Lima (Etrunko) would like to talk about the QEdje library which is being developed in INdT. This presentation will be focused on demos and much shorter than the one presented in Akademy this year by Leonardo Sobral and Artur Souza. You can find a preview on Youtube. --etrunko 18:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
May I add it to the program??? Friday or Saturday session?? --etrunko 20:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Added. I have also reorganized the sessions attempting to group those with a similar topic. Looking at the timing it seems that we have fully packed for both days. Can we consider the call for lightning sessions closed?--qgil 11:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Here's my vote for "yes." There are plenty! --timsamoff 13:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saturday 20th

I will continue to accept requests to speak, but I can't make any guarantee that the schedule will accommodate more people. If I have scheduled any conflicts for presenters please let me know. brontide 15:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible to schedule the maemo.org website redesign meeting in a slot where there is nothing about packaging, publishing, Extras or anythin website related at the same time. I need to be at those and it is generating conflicts at the moment. Thanks! --xfade 06:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
If I have to make another change I will keep that in mind. The problem is that no time is perfect for everyone and I have already moved it once because some people were leaving early. brontide 13:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, yes, but xfade aka Niels Breet is the maemo.org webmaster AND the responsable of maemo.org extras packaging tools. He really needs to be present and active in both sessions. For instance, what about moving the maemo.org redesign session to 13h instead of "maemo.org extras Package Cleanup Sprint". Anyway, dos it make sense to have this packaging sprint session in 30'? This is too short time to get any result isn't it.--qgil 21:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
All that needed to be said is that he is participating in both sessions. I had a request from Dave that it be earlier. I have moved the website session to the 15:00 block and swapped it with clutter. If 30 minutes is too short for package cleanup I have a jalimo session I could schedule in one of those blocks. brontide 03:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Waitlist

These are proposals that came in after the schedule was filled. If I need to shuffle the schedule or if presenters drop out I will try and get these scheduled.

  • Jalimo:: by Sebastian
  • "Why do we do it?": how I got involved in free software, the lessons I have learned from it by Dave Neary
  • Lightning talk KDE on maemo: by Marijn Kruisselbrink (arriving friday during lunch in Berlin)
We will squeeze in 5 more minutes for the session, have fun. brontide 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mini Exhibit

Moved to Maemo Summit 2008/Exhibit. See also the comments at Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM.

[edit] Travel

Moved to Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel.

[edit] Accommodation

Moved to Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation.

[edit] Recording the Event

See Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage and post your comments / offers for help there.

[edit] Advertising

I've submitted the event to the LWN Event Calendar. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --Jaffa 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Community

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --Andrea Grandi 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Prepare a sort of "badge". A simple card with these informations:
    • Name (nickname)
    • What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
    • Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak
  • Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...
  • Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

[edit] Introduction to Maemo hacking?

Keywan says in maemo-developers: "are there plans for a workshop or introduction for newcomers in the development for Maemo? What do you think about this idea? Is there anybody who would like to do this as a "speaker"? And are there other potential participants like me?

Good idea, the question being: when? What is the right duration for this workshop and where could it fit in the agenda. One idea would be to have it on 2-3h on Saturday while the rest of running sessions are really hardcore developer or community wise.--qgil 07:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lightning *idea* sessions

Iván had a great idea today at lunch. What about a round of lightning sessions about ideas. You don't need to be a developer. In fact, it would be good that you are not a developer. But you have a great idea, and you present it brilliantly through text, a sketch, a presentation... In the audience you have a wide collection of power users and developers. Perhaps you find more feedback, improvements, the perfect match? The presentations are available online, next to a feedback channel. The discussion continues there. Perhaps something real will come out of that.--qgil 09:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC) (on behalf of Iván)

When, though? The agenda onf Friday is already intense but... I think a refreshing session like this can be placed at 18h onwards. Right before the end, when you can catch the proposer of the idea and continue the discussion.--qgil 09:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I am agree that at 18:00 on Friday could be good timetable for this.--jsmanrique
Nice blog post from Iván. It got rapidly to the top news in maemo.org. I'll take that as a community YES.  :)
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