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:Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Perhaps. But there's always something round the corner: it's like buying a computer (or gadget ;-)): if you wait, there's always something better. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | :Having a focusing agent like the council is more important now than in 100 days after everything has settled and there's nothing to do anymore. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
- | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | + | ::My point here is, Nokia hasn't officially announced anything yet with regards to all the plans suggested. I heard Ari and the maemo.org team are officially announcing something at the [[Maemo_summit_2008|Maemo Summit 2008]]. If the decision is 100% (or a good percentage) community run, then it's all good. There are lots to do after the 100 Days - mainly implement, prioritize, and streamline the plans, and keep things organized, as what is defined in the 'Roles of the council' below. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 13:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC) |
:::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | :::Nokia aren't 'supposed' to be announcing anything official with regards to all the plans suggested: this is a community action plan, and has very little to do with Nokia (albeit lots to do with [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s role of community manager). Unless Nokia are going to fundamentally change the purpose of maemo (and maemo.org), there will still be times when they ask for the "community"'s input. And for that we need a way of the community speaking with one voice. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 13:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ::::Agree on the community voice. I would still like to hear [[User:qgil|qgil]]'s thoughts on this though, mainly on how much say/control Nokia will have, and/or if the community can override Nokia. Maybe Nokia will just be in the sidelines and watch maemo.org takes its course. --[[User:rsuplido|Reggie]] 14:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:::Good points. Have we got the account age information, though? (Certainly not in any current UI, IIRC - will have to ask X-Fade or ferenc or someone if it's in the DB). This is related to the minimum-karma points required for nominees: we don't need minimum-karma thresholds for nominees if the community can be "trusted" to vote "sensibly" (IYSWIM). However, how can the community as a whole trust it's voice if there's no minimum threshold for the "quality" of the people voting. One of the aims of the council is to streamline and co-ordinate the community's response when Nokia want to know "what the community thinks", a lot of that is representing all of the people who are ''currently'' contributing and marshalling that response. Obviously, a wider aim is to increase participance and represent the people who are currently unheard; but I think these aims may have slightly different requirements in terms of council rules. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 21:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | :::Good points. Have we got the account age information, though? (Certainly not in any current UI, IIRC - will have to ask X-Fade or ferenc or someone if it's in the DB). This is related to the minimum-karma points required for nominees: we don't need minimum-karma thresholds for nominees if the community can be "trusted" to vote "sensibly" (IYSWIM). However, how can the community as a whole trust it's voice if there's no minimum threshold for the "quality" of the people voting. One of the aims of the council is to streamline and co-ordinate the community's response when Nokia want to know "what the community thinks", a lot of that is representing all of the people who are ''currently'' contributing and marshalling that response. Obviously, a wider aim is to increase participance and represent the people who are currently unheard; but I think these aims may have slightly different requirements in terms of council rules. --[[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 21:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::According to http://maemo.org/profile/list/ today there are about 250 users with +50 karma points and around 425 with +25. Getting 25 points is not very difficult: rate some news and apps and after some time you are there. Account age alone doesn't help much avoiding fake accounts, eve if it requires a more patient faker. Accummulate points for several accounts is a more tedious job, though. I think 3 months + 25 points is a reasonable requirement. You don't get rights in most clubs with less than an equivalent to that (and if you do you could quote Groucho Marx on "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member.") On the other side, having the Council no budget and very relative power at least in the initial elections we can probably relax the terms and tighten only if it's needed.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | :::According to http://maemo.org/profile/list/ today there are about 250 users with +50 karma points and around 425 with +25. Getting 25 points is not very difficult: rate some news and apps and after some time you are there. Account age alone doesn't help much avoiding fake accounts, eve if it requires a more patient faker. Accummulate points for several accounts is a more tedious job, though. I think 3 months + 25 points is a reasonable requirement. You don't get rights in most clubs with less than an equivalent to that (and if you do you could quote Groucho Marx on "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member.") On the other side, having the Council no budget and very relative power at least in the initial elections we can probably relax the terms and tighten only if it's needed.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Merging with Task:Community Council == | == Merging with Task:Community Council == | ||
- | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[ | + | Hi, what about mergin this page and [[Task:Community Council]]. Until now I'm indetifying as "Task:" those pages to wormk on something, to avoid people getting confused with the Something (if you know what I mean).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 11:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC) |
:Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | :Done —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 11:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ::Thanks! (The "Task:" practice wasn't strong enough to avoid the confusion about the logo contest though) :) | ||
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Now it says: "''Nokia employees who reach the minimum karma level ''are'' eligible to stand as nominees. However, this should be noted by them when advertising their nomination.''" I agree, but I think it would be good to make always explicit your affiliation if you are working professionally for any organization with a remote relation to Maemo, software development, etc. This practice has been useful at least in the context of the GNOME Foundation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | Now it says: "''Nokia employees who reach the minimum karma level ''are'' eligible to stand as nominees. However, this should be noted by them when advertising their nomination.''" I agree, but I think it would be good to make always explicit your affiliation if you are working professionally for any organization with a remote relation to Maemo, software development, etc. This practice has been useful at least in the context of the GNOME Foundation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Agreed, it's not just Nokians who may have a vested interest. I'll update the wording. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 19:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | :Agreed, it's not just Nokians who may have a vested interest. I'll update the wording. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 19:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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