User talk:Amigadave

Why did you delete "N900 Bluetooth DUN Client" — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 16:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

There were several reasons:
  1. The information was too complicated compared to the existing Bluetooth DUN page
  2. The instructions suggested that a user should download binaries (that would be difficult to verify) from an external server
  3. The page was orphaned and so could not be easily found from within the wiki
I am happy to add a redirect, if the URL is found on an external page where the URL cannot be changed. — amigadave 19:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The operation is complicated.
  2. So?
  3. Is that a reason to delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 20:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The current Bluetooth DUN page is simple compared to the complex instructions that were on N900 Bluetooth DUN Client. The deleted page was simply adding noise
  2. The source code of packages in Extras can be downloaded to verify that the package is not malware or worse. A tarball containing only binaries cannot be easily verified in this way, not to mention the licensing problems of distributing binaries built from Linux kernel source code without an accompanying license or offer of source code
  3. If the page was not linked from anywhere within the wiki, then it must have been quite difficult to find for potential users
These reasons, taken together, provide good justification for deleting the page. — amigadave 09:55, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The instructions on the page "Bluetooth DUN" are for BT DUN SERVER on N900. They have absolutely nothing to do with the page you deleted, which is about BT DUN CLIENT on N900.
  2. The page Easy_Debian also suggests "that a user should download binaries (that would be difficult to verify) from an external server". And there are many other such pages.
  3. The page was linked from t.m.o. Is the wiki some kind of standalone?
  4. Please undelete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 22:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. OK, but this was quite unclear from the content of both pages, and could have been mentioned at the start of the discussion. I have updated the Bluetooth DUN page to reflect that the package currently in Extras is for a DUN server only
  2. Then Easy Debian is also violating the GPL and potentially other licenses that are used on a Debian installation, and links to the binary images should also be removed. If there are other instances of this on the wiki, then please let me know. However, this does not fix the licensing problem with the Bluetooth DUN client kernel modules (on the deleted page). Maybe it would be possible to make a small package containing the necessary kernel modules and upload it to Extras? I would certainly like to help, if you think that this would be useful.
  3. It is difficult to check whether a wiki page is used from outside the wiki, but as I said in my first response, I would be happy to add a redirect if the page was accessed from an external resource, such as talk.maemo.org. I have now added the redirect.
  4. The page content should not be restored until the licensing problems are fixed. Providing the license (GPL-2 for the kernel modules?) together with the binaries, and a link to the source code should be sufficient, although a package for Extras would be even better. — amigadave 09:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


It is not a GPL violation to link to a binary without linking to the source in the same page. See for example Nokia's firmware download page, as well as millions of others pages. Source for everything that was linked in that page is available, but it has no place what is essentially a HOWTO page.

Please undelete the page, and either correct what you think needs correction, or ask for correction's in the page's discussion page. That is proper wiki course of action. Deleting a page without a warning and without a valid reason is not.

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