Talk:Maemo.org logo contest

What follows is a synthesis of previous discussions. The open points are related only to the selection process and contest co-ordination, we are in agreement (more or less on submission process, rules and guidelines.

Contents

[edit] Rules Discussion

[edit] Official guidelines (Sizes, formats)

(discussion closed)

  • Format: A logo should be available in a vector format (PDF or SVG). The submission should be a png rendering .
  • Legal guidelines: The winning logo should be original, and clear of trademark encumbrance.
  • Artistic guidelines: Avoid gradients (hard to put on t-shirts & plate printing), keep the number of colours to a minimum (same reason). The logo should reflect the project and its values.

[edit] Licence/ownership

(discussion closed)

The submitter must agree to licence their logo under Creative Commons BY-ND, to allow the maemo.org community to use it.

[edit] Submitting entries

  • Submitters must have a maemo account, and be connected and sign their entries in the wiki.
  • No age restrictions apply, but some prizes may not be feasible for underage contestants.
    • Second round with age restrictions. None to take part in the contest. None to get a device. About the travel, afaik nobody accepts international travel and accommodation bookings of minors (sorry for the legal terminology) unless they travel with an adult responsible. After con sider several alternatives, I think the best approach is to offer the trip and the device and see what can accept.--qgil 06:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Nokia employees may enter the contest, but people who enter the contest must not be involved in the selection of the winner.

Contestants must follow the following procedure for submitting their logos.

  • Logos should be saved both as svg and png, with the png at least 500 pixels wide. The winner will be expected to provide a high-quality vector image of their logo.
  • The logo should then be uploaded on the Special:Upload page. Please name your images in this format:
Maemo.org_logo_contest_<your username>[_<entry number>].png

and enter this into the summary:

maemo.org logo contest entry from [[User:<your username>]]
  • After the logo has been uploaded, the user should then add their submission to the bottom of the maemo.org logo contest submissions page by editing the page and adding an entry in this format:
== <your username> ==

[[Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_<your username>.png]]

For example, User:GeneralAntilles's submission would be uploaded here: Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_GeneralAntilles.png, and his entry would look like:

== GeneralAntilles ==

[[Image:Maemo.org_logol_contest_GeneralAntilles.png]]

A convenience template has been created for this - if you follow the naming conventions, you should be able to simply add {{Logo entry|Username}} at the end of the page.

Users submitting several entries should use a gallery, like this: <gallery Caption="[[User:username]]" widths="300px" perrow="3"> Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_[username]_1.png|Caption Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_[username]_2.png|Caption Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_[username]_3.png|Caption </gallery> which will result in something like this:

[edit] Selection process

(still open for discussion)

Should the competition be community judged or run by a committee?

I prefer a small, transparent committee. Artwork chosen by poll is often bland, and it is easier to eliminate inappropriate candidates from consideration. --dneary 22:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

+1. Patch submissions are not accepted by popular election but by the ones that have won a reputation to manage the source code of a project. I don't see a problem in community terms for following the same principle for selecting a winning logo. There are some people that haw shown outstanding design/graphics interest in the Maemo community: Tim Samoff (author of the unofficial Maemo UI Guide), Urho Konttori (UKMP and other apps, now Nokia employee), Tuomas Kuosmanen (author of the curre maemo.org layout aka tigert with a large free graphics background - Nokia employee), whoever designed the Canola UI, whoever is behind http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ , Reggie Suplido (ITt founder, they do care about design), Dave Neary (experience in design contest, large track in free graphics), Daniel Martín Yerga (potentially top 3rd party contributor according to http://maemo.org/profile/list/ ) and then we could have a local celebrity like i.e. jimmac.--qgil 05:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
We need to decide on this. More opinions, please.--qgil 03:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to think the community could be involved, but - as you point out - the best designs are often ignored (or their votes split). At the moment, only a couple of the suggestions really grab me as having a coherent design process, and I'd hate to see them lose out on the basis of bland bell curves or splitting the votes between them. Perhaps once the contest is closed, a debate on maemo-community (if it's created by then, or -users if not) for - say - a week by anyone energetic enough to comment, and then the committee outlined above (or the Community Council if we have it by then) go off and decide between themselves the logo of choice? --Jaffa 23:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a nice variant. I would still find a jury with a majority of members with a graphics related background.--qgil 18:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

In the event of voting, some measures should be taken to prevent false voting such as:

  • Registered members can vote.
  • Only Once.
  • Maybe transparent (member name visible) with optional comment.
  • Two rounds (maybe ten submissions in the second).

I think this should help the community to choose the clear winner among the submissions. bundyo 20:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I need to talk to X-Fade about setting up a voting system for the Community Council voting, we could reuse that for this voting. Probably apply a similar set of rules. User accounts must be 1 month old or have at least 10 karma points? —GeneralAntilles 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe both? The Karma rule should be applied only to the voters though, so that everyone will be allowed to enter the contest. bundyo 11:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
That's a capital OR ;) and, yes, of course no karma limits for entrants. --GeneralAntilles 14:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
You are assuming that the result needs to be decide by the vote from a large amount of people. However, playing as devil's advocate, normally artworks and other creative works contest are decided by the consensus or vite of a reduced amount of people with a strong relation/involvement in the subject and an internal discussion before the selection. This was also the case at https://help.launchpad.net/logo/ , where the decision was made by the project maintainers, not the large amount of launchpad users.--qgil 20:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe they just have to have the last decision, but the community must show their preference, help them choose. bundyo 20:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Bundyo. Having community involvement (besides actually competing) is always a good idea, especially when it is for an open-source group.jakemaheu 20:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Or maybe the first decision i.e. going through a selection of 5 candidates from all submissions, and then the community vote. Or two rounds of votes perhaps. Or a preferential system. In any case voting between, say, 20 or more submissions is not easy and it is very likely that the option chosen hasn't reach anything like a 51% of support.--qgil 21:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, you're right, hard to choose from hundred submissions. 5 seems kinda low though. bundyo 22:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Practical proposal: what about completing and agreeing all the information needed to START the contest and allow people submitting their proposals. In the meantime we will have time to discuss the selection process. As far as we have something ready by August 1st...--qgil 12:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, but I'd also suggest to let the community participate in the first round and only selected (don't know how, karma, designers, you name it) people can decide the winner in the second round.--anidel 08:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
One potential problem of this would be for the Jury to fight the pressure of a most voted option if they think the best one is actually another one in the pre-selection. What started as a democratic process might be ending up in flames and accusations of non-democratic selection. Perhaps the other way round would make more sense, a jury makes a pre-selection and then people vote. However, another element to consider is the weak tools for voting we have, so easy to subvert if someone really wants to.--qgil 18:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Preferential voting is good, regardless of the number of candidates or voters. (It's not necessarily easy to set up, I know, but it's much better.) I think it should be applied additionally to any candidate reduction schemes.benson 04:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Preferential voting among authors

Hey, I got an idea! One problem about the jury is that a decent jury shouldn't have logo submitters, but of course the maemo.org contributiors interested in graphics, UI etc are doing so. On the other hand we are getting a considerable amount of submitters, and more ar likely to come in the following weeks. Well, I'm starting to consider this a good sample representative of the Maemo community, at least those interested in something like a community logo. What about using a preferential system tool (there are many onlyne, free to use) and give voting rights to the own applicants? Voting your own applications is allowed, even to put them in the top of your selection. But rank the rest of candidates too. This will produce a common rank where the second and third preferences of the authors will decide what is actually the most accepted. Optional steps would be an individual pre-selection at the beginning (select your own 3 best candidates yourself) and a final selection done by a committe from, say, the top 5 ranked logos. The workflow would be:

  1. Each author selects 1 to 3 candidates from all his/her submissions for the preferential voting.
  2. All authors take part in the preferential voting, being asked to rank honestly all the submissions.
  3. A committe of people involved in the community but not involved in the previous voting decides the winner based on discussion and consensus. While the authors voting could be more centered in design aspects, the committee assures that "the spirit of the community" is well reflected in the winner.

--qgil 06:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Pre-selection of candidates

In the event of a vote, there is a possibility of having a pre-selection of candidates in order to filter those not matching the rules.

[edit] Contest coordination

(discussion still open)

As a Nokia employee, I really don't want to be in the middle of the organization of this contest. Who takes it? Of course I will help out and provide Nokia's view on whatever Nokia can inform i.e. details on the prize.--qgil 21:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, GeneralAntillies said that the idea was for it to be a community-driven contest, so I guess that would mean community-managed? jakemaheu 21:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Sure, but having people explicitly responsible of coordinating a task is generally a good idea.--qgil 21:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean now. But who? That would have to be some volunteers whom are not entering or biased (the hardest part if we want members from the ITT community). jakemaheu 22:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The work that needs to be done now is to coordinate the discussion on rules and process until reaching conclusions. You can be entering and biased and be an efficient coordinator of these tasks, as far as you don't campaign and don't get involved in the decision of the winner.--qgil 22:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the discussion, there needs to be a few lines in the sand drawn to avoid drawn-out discussions. I have previously run a GUADEC logo competition and a GIMP splash-screen competition, I would be happy to take on the work for this one, if there is no opposition. --dneary 22:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Looks like there's no opposition here... I'll take the idea to the list. --dneary 07:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)