User talk:Amigadave

Why did you delete "N900 Bluetooth DUN Client" — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 16:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

There were several reasons:
  1. The information was too complicated compared to the existing Bluetooth DUN page
  2. The instructions suggested that a user should download binaries (that would be difficult to verify) from an external server
  3. The page was orphaned and so could not be easily found from within the wiki
I am happy to add a redirect, if the URL is found on an external page where the URL cannot be changed. — amigadave 19:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The operation is complicated.
  2. So?
  3. Is that a reason to delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 20:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The current Bluetooth DUN page is simple compared to the complex instructions that were on N900 Bluetooth DUN Client. The deleted page was simply adding noise
  2. The source code of packages in Extras can be downloaded to verify that the package is not malware or worse. A tarball containing only binaries cannot be easily verified in this way, not to mention the licensing problems of distributing binaries built from Linux kernel source code without an accompanying license or offer of source code
  3. If the page was not linked from anywhere within the wiki, then it must have been quite difficult to find for potential users
These reasons, taken together, provide good justification for deleting the page. — amigadave 09:55, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. The instructions on the page "Bluetooth DUN" are for BT DUN SERVER on N900. They have absolutely nothing to do with the page you deleted, which is about BT DUN CLIENT on N900.
  2. The page Easy_Debian also suggests "that a user should download binaries (that would be difficult to verify) from an external server". And there are many other such pages.
  3. The page was linked from t.m.o. Is the wiki some kind of standalone?
  4. Please undelete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 22:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. OK, but this was quite unclear from the content of both pages, and could have been mentioned at the start of the discussion. I have updated the Bluetooth DUN page to reflect that the package currently in Extras is for a DUN server only
  2. Then Easy Debian is also violating the GPL and potentially other licenses that are used on a Debian installation, and links to the binary images should also be removed. If there are other instances of this on the wiki, then please let me know. However, this does not fix the licensing problem with the Bluetooth DUN client kernel modules (on the deleted page). Maybe it would be possible to make a small package containing the necessary kernel modules and upload it to Extras? I would certainly like to help, if you think that this would be useful.
  3. It is difficult to check whether a wiki page is used from outside the wiki, but as I said in my first response, I would be happy to add a redirect if the page was accessed from an external resource, such as talk.maemo.org. I have now added the redirect.
  4. The page content should not be restored until the licensing problems are fixed. Providing the license (GPL-2 for the kernel modules?) together with the binaries, and a link to the source code should be sufficient, although a package for Extras would be even better. — amigadave 09:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. It is not a GPL violation to link to a binary without linking to the source in the same page. See for example Nokia's firmware download page, as well as millions of others pages. Source for everything that was linked in that page is available, but it has no place what is essentially a HOWTO page.
  2. Please undelete the page, and either correct what you think needs correction, or ask for correction's in the page's discussion page. That is proper wiki course of action. Deleting a page without a warning and without a valid reason is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by matan 21:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. According to section 3 of the GPL 2 (which is the license for the Linux kernel modules that were linked from the offending page), a binary built from GPL 2 source code must either come with the sources, a written offer of the sources or the same offer as was present in an existing GPL 2 binary distribution. Offering source code from the same page is explicitly mentioned in Section 3 as ‘distribution of the source code’, which would comply with requirements of the GPL 2. Nokia binary images come with a written offer of source code (in the ‘About product’ applet of the Settings application), thus fulfilling the requirements of the GPL 2 and other open source licenses.
  2. The page should not be undeleted until the binaries linked from it are corrected so as to comply with the GPL 2. The reasoning is valid and I have explained it to you in detail the requirements of the license and how you might correct the problem. In short, supply the license along with the binaries and provide a written offer of the source code. I reiterate my offer to help in making a package that could be uploaded to Extras, fixing all of these problems. — amigadave 09:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. Please delete the following pages immediately for GPL violations:
  1. The packages that you linked to contain an Ubuntu-derived operating system, which in /etc/motd.tail explains where to locate the license files for each included package. The copyright files included in the packages give the location of the source code, for example ./usr/share/doc/bash/copyright. Thus, there is no GPL violation. Please do not make unfounded claims. — amigadave 13:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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